{"id":1216,"date":"2016-01-11T13:50:15","date_gmt":"2016-01-11T13:50:15","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blogs.sussex.ac.uk\/sussexenergygroup\/?p=1216"},"modified":"2016-01-11T15:00:01","modified_gmt":"2016-01-11T15:00:01","slug":"on-the-deep-state-hypothesis-phil-johnstone-and-andy-stirling-react-to-critique","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogs.sussex.ac.uk\/sussexenergygroup\/2016\/01\/11\/on-the-deep-state-hypothesis-phil-johnstone-and-andy-stirling-react-to-critique\/","title":{"rendered":"On the &#8216;deep state&#8217; hypothesis &#8211; Phil Johnstone and Andy Stirling react to critique"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/blogs.sussex.ac.uk\/sussexenergygroup\/files\/2016\/01\/Phil-and-Andy-no-text.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignleft wp-image-1218 \" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/blogs.sussex.ac.uk\/sussexenergygroup\/files\/2016\/01\/Phil-and-Andy-no-text.jpg?resize=260%2C174\" alt=\"Phil and Andy no text\" width=\"260\" height=\"174\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/blogs.sussex.ac.uk\/sussexenergygroup\/files\/2016\/01\/Phil-and-Andy-no-text.jpg?resize=300%2C201&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/blogs.sussex.ac.uk\/sussexenergygroup\/files\/2016\/01\/Phil-and-Andy-no-text.jpg?resize=100%2C67&amp;ssl=1 100w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/blogs.sussex.ac.uk\/sussexenergygroup\/files\/2016\/01\/Phil-and-Andy-no-text.jpg?resize=150%2C100&amp;ssl=1 150w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/blogs.sussex.ac.uk\/sussexenergygroup\/files\/2016\/01\/Phil-and-Andy-no-text.jpg?resize=200%2C134&amp;ssl=1 200w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/blogs.sussex.ac.uk\/sussexenergygroup\/files\/2016\/01\/Phil-and-Andy-no-text.jpg?w=345&amp;ssl=1 345w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 260px) 100vw, 260px\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\" \/><\/a>Recently Jessica Jewell from the <a href=\"http:\/\/polet.network\/\" target=\"_blank\">POLET network<\/a> offered a critical response to the hypothesis explained in a previous <a href=\"http:\/\/theconversation.com\/all-at-sea-making-sense-of-the-uks-muddled-nuclear-policy-48553\" target=\"_blank\">blog post<\/a> by Andy Stirling and me about the links between civil and military nuclear power in the UK. Our hypothesis is that it is strong UK government commitments to maintaining specific military nuclear capabilities that are interacting with many other complex aspects to sway decisions in favour of nuclear power.\u00a0But unlike a focus on the historical associations between civil and military related nuclear activity in relation to the transfer of \u2018fissile materials\u2019, what is unique about our hypothesis is that civil\/military connections are envisaged to play out at the level of innovation and industrial systems in terms of technologies and skills surrounding nuclear propulsion capabilities for submarines.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">As part of developing this hypothesis, we have discussed various literatures related to understandings of \u2018the deep state\u2019, drawing attention to less visible power structures which may impinge upon \u2018conventional\u2019 energy policy decision making. <a href=\"http:\/\/polet.network\/blog\/2015\/9\/24\/shallow-reasoning-on-the-deep-state\" target=\"_blank\">In her blog<\/a> Jessica argued that the deal with China somehow \u2018disproved\u2019 our hypothesis (because the UK government would not risk China gaining access to sensitive submarine-related nuclear activity), while also making the claim (that has been frequently encountered) that to even pose the question regarding the linkages between submarine-related nuclear activity and civilian nuclear power somehow represents a \u2018conspiracy theory\u2019. We were grateful for this intervention; however, we felt that it mischaracterized key parts of our argument, and thus we responded to Jessica\u2019s comments on the POLET Network blog. We hope these dialogues can continue\u2026.To read our response click <a href=\"http:\/\/polet.network\/blog\/\/deep-state-uk-response\" target=\"_blank\">here<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\nFollow Sussex Energy Group      <span class=\"synved-social-container synved-social-container-follow\"><a class=\"synved-social-button synved-social-button-follow synved-social-size-16 synved-social-resolution-single synved-social-provider-facebook nolightbox\" data-provider=\"facebook\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" title=\"Follow us on Facebook\" href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/pages\/Sussex-Energy-Group\/448345351971248?ref=hl\" style=\"font-size: 0px; width:16px;height:16px;margin:0;margin-bottom:5px;margin-right:5px;\"><img alt=\"Facebook\" title=\"Follow us on Facebook\" class=\"synved-share-image synved-social-image synved-social-image-follow\" width=\"16\" height=\"16\" style=\"display: inline; width:16px;height:16px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border: none; box-shadow: none;\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/blogs.sussex.ac.uk\/sussexenergygroup\/wp-content\/plugins\/social-media-feather\/synved-social\/image\/social\/regular\/32x32\/facebook.png?resize=16%2C16&#038;ssl=1\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\" \/><\/a><a class=\"synved-social-button synved-social-button-follow synved-social-size-16 synved-social-resolution-single synved-social-provider-twitter nolightbox\" data-provider=\"twitter\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" title=\"Follow us on Twitter\" href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/SussexNRGGroup\" style=\"font-size: 0px; width:16px;height:16px;margin:0;margin-bottom:5px;margin-right:5px;\"><img alt=\"twitter\" title=\"Follow us on Twitter\" class=\"synved-share-image synved-social-image synved-social-image-follow\" width=\"16\" height=\"16\" style=\"display: inline; width:16px;height:16px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border: none; box-shadow: none;\" src=\"https:\/\/i2.wp.com\/blogs.sussex.ac.uk\/sussexenergygroup\/wp-content\/plugins\/social-media-feather\/synved-social\/image\/social\/regular\/32x32\/twitter.png?resize=16%2C16&#038;ssl=1\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\" \/><\/a><a class=\"synved-social-button synved-social-button-follow synved-social-size-16 synved-social-resolution-single synved-social-provider-linkedin nolightbox\" data-provider=\"linkedin\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" title=\"Find us on Linkedin\" href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/company\/sussex-energy-group\" style=\"font-size: 0px; width:16px;height:16px;margin:0;margin-bottom:5px;\"><img alt=\"linkedin\" title=\"Find us on Linkedin\" class=\"synved-share-image synved-social-image synved-social-image-follow\" width=\"16\" height=\"16\" style=\"display: inline; width:16px;height:16px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border: none; box-shadow: none;\" src=\"https:\/\/i2.wp.com\/blogs.sussex.ac.uk\/sussexenergygroup\/wp-content\/plugins\/social-media-feather\/synved-social\/image\/social\/regular\/32x32\/linkedin.png?resize=16%2C16&#038;ssl=1\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\" \/><\/a><\/span>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Recently Jessica Jewell from the POLET network offered a critical response to the hypothesis explained in a previous blog post by Andy Stirling and me about the links between civil and military nuclear power in the UK. 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