{"id":590,"date":"2015-01-29T14:55:12","date_gmt":"2015-01-29T14:55:12","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blogs.sussex.ac.uk\/sussexenergygroup\/?p=590"},"modified":"2015-01-29T15:19:58","modified_gmt":"2015-01-29T15:19:58","slug":"a-response-to-harry-saunders-divestment-will-not-keep-carbon-in-the-ground","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogs.sussex.ac.uk\/sussexenergygroup\/2015\/01\/29\/a-response-to-harry-saunders-divestment-will-not-keep-carbon-in-the-ground\/","title":{"rendered":"A response to Harry Saunders&#8217; &#8220;Divestment will not keep carbon in the ground&#8221;"},"content":{"rendered":"<h3>This blog post is a response to a <a href=\"http:\/\/theenergycollective.com\/harry-saunders\/2187446\/divestment-will-not-keep-carbon-ground\">recent article<\/a> on the divestment of shares in fossil fuels by Harry Saunders.<\/h3>\n<p>Jack and Emily are part of the &#8216;Fossil Free Sussex&#8217; campaign, which aims to encourage the University to move its investments away from the oil, gas and coal industries.\u00a0 In his well-written and thought-provoking article, Harry argues that &#8216;divestment will not keep carbon in the ground&#8217;, by pointing out that shares in a company represent a stake in the ownership of that company, but do not affect the fundamental production economics, even if widespread divestment does occur.<\/p>\n<p>These kinds of arguments against divestment seem to be based upon the view that the campaign is trying to bankrupt the industry.\u00a0Whilst campaigning at Sussex, we have said from the beginning that the damage we are attempting to do is not financial; UK universities have a combined endowment wealth of around \u00a310bn (People &amp; Planet estimation, 2013), of which around 5% can reasonably be thought to be represented by fossil fuel stocks. \u00a0We are aware that \u00a3500m is never going to financially harm the industry (and after reading the article, it is apparent that were this figure to be much larger, it still wouldn&#8217;t).<\/p>\n<p>What we are instead trying to do is inflict reputational impact.\u00a0The oft-made analogy between divestment in fossil fuels and Apartheid South Africa highlights where this has been successful in the past (though\u00a0there are of course distinct differences between the two &#8211; this analogy is slightly challenging but the basic principles are the same). Our universities do not invest in tobacco, arms manufacture, pornography or gambling industries. The arguments Harry has made apply equally to these companies, yet they have a reputational tarnish and thus have seen their shares sold by certain institutions. We believe this industry should be added to that list, because of issues like unburnable carbon; we are not saying that we should divest to stop carbon emissions (directly), but that\u00a0<em>because<\/em>\u00a0of carbon emissions we should divest.<\/p>\n<p>The divestment campaign is not attempting to halt &#8211; or even particularly to slow &#8211; fossil fuel extraction. In fact, it is precisely this absence of grand ambition which is appealing, since it thereby avoids the problems of intractability which tend to plague public attempts to tackle climate change. Instead, the campaign seeks to\u00a0<em>redefine<\/em>\u00a0what we mean by an &#8216;ethical investment&#8217;. Most universities (and churches, and other institutions who are considering divesting) already have an ethical investment portfolio, which avoids arms, tobacco etc. What is needed is a redefinition of &#8216;ethical&#8217; to include concern for the climate. An investment in fossil fuels should not be considered an ethical investment, assuming that protecting the environment and mitigating climate change is an ethic we hold dear.<\/p>\n<p>In this sense, perhaps better parallels can be drawn with other types of ethical investment, such as switching to an ethical bank account or buying fair trade. No-one claims that ethical bank accounts such as Triodos are going to put a stop to the arms trade; it is more a case of feeling that our own money should not be used in ways we feel uncomfortable about. It should not always have to be a choice between changing the world or doing nothing at all; sometimes small actions are correct for moral, rather than pragmatic, reasons.<\/p>\n<p>This campaign is empowering people &#8211; in Sussex and worldwide &#8211; who otherwise feel they can do nothing about climate change, save ride their bike more and listen whilst policymakers squabble. Even if Sussex doesn&#8217;t divest but we cause a few more people to become interested in climate, then we will feel that the campaign has been a success.<\/p>\n<h4 class=\"profile-divider\">Biography<\/h4>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i2.wp.com\/www.sussex.ac.uk\/images\/people\/profile\/247993.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignleft\" src=\"https:\/\/i2.wp.com\/www.sussex.ac.uk\/images\/people\/profile\/247993.jpg?resize=150%2C177\" alt=\"photo of Jack Miller\" width=\"150\" height=\"177\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\" \/><\/a>Jack Miller began his PhD with SPRU and CIED in September 2014, conducting research into the role of energy efficiency in economic growth.\u00a0 His work centres upon the concepts of \u2018exergy\u2019 and \u2018useful work\u2019, or the portions of energy inputs into the economy which can prove useful to economic activity and societal needs.\u00a0 He completed an MSc in Energy Policy for Sustainability with SPRU in 2014, having undertaken a project looking at the prospects for future shale gas development in the US.\u00a0 He has a degree in Physics (MPhys hons, University of Sussex, 2013), and has previously taught maths and physics from KS3 to first-year undergraduate level.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/blogs.sussex.ac.uk\/sussexenergygroup\/files\/2015\/01\/Emily-Cox-image.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignleft wp-image-583\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/blogs.sussex.ac.uk\/sussexenergygroup\/files\/2015\/01\/Emily-Cox-image.jpg?resize=150%2C150\" alt=\"Emily Cox image\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\" \/><\/a>Emily Cox is a PhD researcher with the Sussex Energy Group at the University of Sussex, researching electricity security in the context of a low-carbon transition. She is developing a methodology which can be used to assess low-carbon transition pathways for their resilience, affordability and sustainability. She has recently worked for the Royal Academy of Engineering, undertaking research for the Council of Science and Technology into the social and economic impacts of electricity shortfalls.\u00a0She has also spent time working for E.ON Technologies at the Ratcliffe-on-Soar power station, carrying out policy research into energy security, district heating, distributed storage, and the new UK Capacity Market. Emily is an Associate Tutor at the University of Sussex, tutoring an MSc in Energy Policy and a new BSc elective in energy transitions. She has also worked for a variety of NGOs, including as a regional network coordinator for Greenpeace; as such, she has tackled energy issues from within a broad spectrum of sectors including industry, academia, policy and civil society. 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